Relationship of Blood Sacrifice Religions

[Doug]

Relationship of Blood Sacrifice Religions???

The bible is full of killing animals and humans for a blood sacrifice to their god. From what I can gather the killing of animals and/or humans was to appease their god for the punishment they might receive for their evil doings. Most people worldwide throughout the history of the world have in one form or another killed to pay for their sins. The people we know most about in the old testament is the Jew and their sacrificial system of killing an animal blood sacrifice as an atonement to their god. Today the Jew no longer accepts the killing of life for they no longer do blood killing. However in order to be a christian in todays standard one must accept the unmerciful torture killing of a human being to pay off their god for the penalty of their sin.

The relationship of todays christian religion to the Jewish OT religion and their god is the necessity of a blood sacrifice to atone for sin. In fact, the christian will tell you their god is the god of the Jews.

Now, with this in mind, the question becomes what shall we do with the words of Jesus? In this same book, the bible, it says Jesus was manisfested to give us an understanding of the true God. So, when Jesus said he will not have sacrifice in any way shape or form but will have mercy and forgiveness if you quit sinning, the Jews from then on tried to find ways to kill him. When Jesus told them who their god was they really blew their top.

Considering what I have just gleaned from the bible itself what, if any, relationship is there between the god of the Jews, the christians and Jesus?

[Kofi]

It is true the Bible is all about the Jews. However, the more I learn about the Jews, the less I understand the Bible. In some parts of Africa especially in my country, any time you hear "Israel", some Christians respond "Kronkron" which means Holy. Most Christians in Africa today including even the "annointed" men of God believe Israel (the Jews) are God's chosen people and therefore holy. Some even think the Israelis today are the same as the Israelites in the Bible and hence consider even today's Jews holy. I used to think the same too until I got access to the internet just a few years ago. Although the internet has done so many bad things to the minds of people, this is one of the good things the internet has done for me. I have access to all these information free of charge something I never dreamed of.

I read it somewhere online and I've been thinking about it for quite sometime now. Abraham who is the father of Christianity, Islam, and Judaism was about to kill his only son to honor God. Abraham was about to commit "murder" for God. To an outsider(an atheist for a example), it was an attempted murder. Meanwhile, We the Christians, the Jews, and the Muslims of the world consider Abraham a very God-fearing man who feared God so much to the point where he was ready to offer his only son as a sacrifice to please God.

However, If you consider Abraham's actions from the other side, there is no difference between Abraham ready to kill his son for God or Allah and a suicide bomber ready to blow himself and some infidels up for Allah. Both Abraham and the suicide bomber believe they are doing it to please God or Allah but an Atheist may consider both men murderers.

At times I find it very difficult to differentiate between the actions of the Jews and those of my great grandfathers. My great grandfather offered goats as sacrifices to his god so his god may forgive him of his wrong doings and also bless him. The Jews in the Bible did the same. In some extreme cases, some tribal groups in Africa offered human sacrifices for similar reasons. The Jews in the Bible including (Abraham) offered human sacrifices too. Yet some people today consider the actions of my great grandfathers barbaric but that of the Jews, "obedience and honor". These are some of the things I don't really understand. The more I learn about the Jews, the less I understand the Bible.

"Today the Jew no longer accepts the killing of life for they no longer do blood killing"

this is also something I don't understand. They used to offer blood sacrifices to God but now they have stopped. meanwhile, I have never read it anywhere that God(excluding Jesus whom they rejected) told the Jews to stop their blood sacrifices. They are worshipping the same God who never forgave them without getting some blood in return (in the past) but now have refused to offer this same God the blood he loved so much. Meanwhile, the God they worshipped in the past who is the same God today never told them to stop giving him blood sacrifices.

Now back to Christianity. We Christians believe Jesus died to pay for our sins. In other words, Jesus' blood paid for us very similar to how the goat and human sacrifices paid for the wrong doings of my great grandfathers. Yet some Christians(including myself) believe my great granfather's actions were barbaric and that of Christianity, LOVE.

"...what, if any, relationship is there between the god of the Jews, the christians and Jesus?"
from what you have pointed out and from the little I know so far, there are very huge differences between the god of the Jews, the god of the Christians, and Jesus. Jesus said "NO BLOOD NECESSARY" yet Christians believe "NO JESUS' BLOOD, NO SALVATION". In other words, what Jesus said is the exact opposite of what we believe in.

I am a "Christian" and sometimes I have no other choice than to blindly believe and accept it as it is. Some may say I am a fool for blindly believing but I am not the only one. There are so many fools like me in the world today.

"the question becomes what shall we do with the words of Jesus?" This is one of those questions most Christians (including myself) would love to ignore why because if you try answering, sometimes you just complicate matters for yourself. On one side of the Bible, blood is very necessary. On the other side of the Bible, blood is very bad and unnecessary.

As Christians, it is a huge BLESSING to believe both sides at the same time and that is also another reason why most of us go crazy for no good reasons at all.

[Doug]

Quote: As Christians, it is a huge BLESSING to believe both sides at the same time and that is also another reason why most of us go crazy for no good reasons at all.

No good reason at all???? I think you know better than that.

The term christian means a follower of Christ.
The term Luthern means a follower of Luther.
If the teaching of the two don't match but believe both teaching you are nothing. If nothing pleases God then
to believe both sides at the same time means nothing to God. Nothing is neither hot or cold. I think I remember Jesus saying he would puke you out of his mouth if you were neither hot nor cold.

Ride a horse and you will go somewhere. Ride the fence and you will go nowhere.

Great thought and great observations Kofi. I think you still do not know if God was the one that established blood sacrifice to atone for the sins of the Jews. Many times I have shown the law of Moses was given as a curse to the Jews for breaking the first covenant God gave them. (Obey my voice and I will be your God and you will be my people). The Jews broke this covenant and did not obey his voice therefore the Jews were not his people nor was God their God. Well if God was not their God because they did not obey His voice then who was their god? Jesus told them and us who there god was. Satan is your god said Jesus and they from then on sought to kill him so says the good book. If you can understand what I just said that should answer a lot of what your post relates. As an example: The Jews are Gods chosen people. If Satan is their God then they are Satan's chosen people and not the chosen of the God of Jesus.

If you do not believe what Jesus, the anointed of God, says then you are not a follower of Jesus and the Holy Spirit. You are a follower of some religion. Not having the ability to make up your mind for one or the other must be a terrible thing.