Communism preaches simplicity and self-dedication

loverspot · ,

Trying to be as neutral as possible, I think communism is not a bad idea. They stand for the working class; the common people. Communism preaches simplicity, and self-dedication for uplifting the poor.

The idea seems great, but the truth is that the communism is an idea which is virtually hard to practice. I hope its not necessary to explain what happened to USSR. Still communist nations like china is progressing well along the path of development. The problem is that they never really promote development, and hesitant to co-operate with nations like U.S.

But most communist nations are comparatively less corruption perception. So why can't have a communist government?

cognitive · ,

loverspot , I guess you never lived a day in communism judging your sayings , is that right ?
I was born under communism and things are far from what you imply. Not only the corruption was much greater than in any other form of government but if you dared to even think something against one of the corrupted people in the party you could find yourself in jail as a traitor with no possibility to defend yourself .
Not to mention the lack of food , electricity , gas , LIBERTY .

patty · ,

Honestly, I thought communism is better than a democratic country the same as loverspot's point of view. But after I read an experience of how to live in a communist government in the person of cognitive, it totally changed my same. I am just so blessed to be in a democratic country.

vtte · ,

In a democratic country, people have the choice to vote for who they want as president. In a communist country, you may not have that privilege and what happens, how you live and your laws that you must follow may be changed within an instant, all at the power of the government. You may find that in theory communism seems decent but it is a very hard system to live by, where all are equal.

originata · ,

I believe most people have this warped view of what communism is. You cannot look at a few examples of corrupt governments and assume that communism is a bad idea. For one, a counterpart of communism is not democracy, that's comparing apples and oranges. Comparing capitalism to communism and socialism is more valid.

Who knows, 500 years from now, they maybe writing about how capitalism almost destroyed the world with wars, greed, and draining the planets resources all in the name of consumerism.

tekmiester · ,

Communism has been tried and failed, pure and simple. Though Marx would argue that there has never been "true communism", the ideology is based on a fundemental misunderstanding of human nature: people will not work hard if there is nothing in it for them.

ranger · ,

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Originally Posted by cognitive

loverspot , I guess you never lived a day in communism judging your sayings , is that right ?
I was born under communism and things are far from what you imply. Not only the corruption was much greater than in any other form of government but if you dared to even think something against one of the corrupted people in the party you could find yourself in jail as a traitor with no possibility to defend yourself .
Not to mention the lack of food , electricity , gas , LIBERTY .

Corruption was much greater?

In asia, China is one of the countries with least corruption. Agree with other points.

Gloria · ,

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Originally Posted by tekmiester

Communism has been tried and failed, pure and simple. Though Marx would argue that there has never been "true communism", the ideology is based on a fundemental misunderstanding of human nature: people will not work hard if there is nothing in it for them.

this is a repost! ... by Graydory
i agree with you. there is absolutely nothing good in practice. communism is just a total doom. In theory it benefits everyone however in practice, communism benefits just the few in the top positions. Look at America a capitalist nation. You work for your money and you don't eat if you do not work which i think is the way things should be. A hand which does not work must not eat.

Graydory

rcf5005 · ,

Communism seems to be one of those perfect on paper ideas. Then you get the human factor involved and it all falls apart. There is a few fundamental assumptions that communism makes about people that are just downright wrong. Capitalism assumes the opposite of what communism assumes, so it is a little more likely to succeed (but seeing recent market conditions, even that is coming to question...)

chikoo · ,

Communism is ideology.
Communist people who practice Communism.
Communism is from the word community. That is good because it is not individual. Community working together for everything !!
There is no individual ownership. Every assets and properties are government own. Therefore no individual GREED.

Facing a firing squad is a sentence to corrupt government officer and government will not hire his/her descendants until 7th generation.
That was communism practiced by China.
There is a very different approach on communism for Russia and China. Very different practices but the point is, it solved much of human greed problem.

rcf5005 · ,

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Originally Posted by chikoo

Communism is ideology.
Communist people who practice Communism.
Communism is from the word community. That is good because it is not individual. Community working together for everything !!
There is no individual ownership. Every assets and properties are government own. Therefore no individual GREED.

Facing a firing squad is a sentence to corrupt government officer and government will not hire his/her descendants until 7th generation.
That was communism practiced by China.
There is a very different approach on communism for Russia and China. Very different practices but the point is, it solved much of human greed problem.

Its a great idea, but as I said before, it makes fundamental assumptions about human nature that are most definitely wrong. You say that everything is owned by the government therefore theres no greed. But there are a few problems within that.
A) No motivation to work. If I'm gonna get a house and food anyways, why don't I just hang out all day instead of working?
B) I own everything in my house. I payed for it completely, therefore it is mine. Yet there are still people that want to take it, even though it isn't theirs (its mine). People install locks and security systems to protect things they own from people that don't own. How is that any different from the government owns everything, but people are still going to steal?

GaryEarle · ,

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Originally Posted by originata

Who knows, 500 years from now, they maybe writing about how capitalism almost destroyed the world with wars, greed, and draining the planets resources all in the name of consumerism.

Oh Please...what do you suggest? We all go back to living in caves and riding donkeys? Or do you like the idea of no achievement? And if I'm not mistaken...wars have been around since mans inception...so has greed..and even with those present...we still seem to be doing ok.

as far as communism....well...if that's what you like..so be it...me personally..I like my freedoms.

Gary

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loverspot Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Replies: 8	Communism preaches simplicity and self-dedication Trying to be as neutral as possible, I think communism is not a bad idea. They stand for the working class; the common people. Communism preaches simplicity, and self-dedication for uplifting the poor. The idea seems great, but the truth is that the communism is an idea which is virtually hard to practice. I hope its not necessary to explain what happened to USSR. Still communist nations like china is progressing well along the path of development. The problem is that they never really promote development, and hesitant to co-operate with nations like U.S. But most communist nations are comparatively less corruption perception. So why can't have a communist government?

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cognitive Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Replies: 24	loverspot , I guess you never lived a day in communism judging your sayings , is that right ? I was born under communism and things are far from what you imply. Not only the corruption was much greater than in any other form of government but if you dared to even think something against one of the corrupted people in the party you could find yourself in jail as a traitor with no possibility to defend yourself . Not to mention the lack of food , electricity , gas , LIBERTY .

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patty Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Replies: 9	Honestly, I thought communism is better than a democratic country the same as loverspot's point of view. But after I read an experience of how to live in a communist government in the person of cognitive, it totally changed my same. I am just so blessed to be in a democratic country.

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vtte Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Replies: 20	In a democratic country, people have the choice to vote for who they want as president. In a communist country, you may not have that privilege and what happens, how you live and your laws that you must follow may be changed within an instant, all at the power of the government. You may find that in theory communism seems decent but it is a very hard system to live by, where all are equal.

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originata Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Replies: 6	I believe most people have this warped view of what communism is. You cannot look at a few examples of corrupt governments and assume that communism is a bad idea. For one, a counterpart of communism is not democracy, that's comparing apples and oranges. Comparing capitalism to communism and socialism is more valid. Who knows, 500 years from now, they maybe writing about how capitalism almost destroyed the world with wars, greed, and draining the planets resources all in the name of consumerism.

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tekmiester Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Replies: 10	Communism has been tried and failed, pure and simple. Though Marx would argue that there has never been "true communism", the ideology is based on a fundemental misunderstanding of human nature: people will not work hard if there is nothing in it for them.

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rcf5005 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Replies: 41	Re: Communism - A better solution? Communism seems to be one of those perfect on paper ideas. Then you get the human factor involved and it all falls apart. There is a few fundamental assumptions that communism makes about people that are just downright wrong. Capitalism assumes the opposite of what communism assumes, so it is a little more likely to succeed (but seeing recent market conditions, even that is coming to question...)

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chikoo Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Replies: 11	Re: Communism - A better solution? Communism is ideology. Communist people who practice Communism. Communism is from the word community. That is good because it is not individual. Community working together for everything !! There is no individual ownership. Every assets and properties are government own. Therefore no individual GREED. Facing a firing squad is a sentence to corrupt government officer and government will not hire his/her descendants until 7th generation. That was communism practiced by China. There is a very different approach on communism for Russia and China. Very different practices but the point is, it solved much of human greed problem.

Communism preaches simplicity and self-dedication

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